*fittedwearer's note; Here at umf, we...wait, I (gotta stop doing that lol) ...take pride in having viewpoints on a variety of subjects. Among them is the subject of romantic interest, namely the appropriate amount to show to someone without scaring the living fuck out of them. I shared my theories on the subject in a post titled "
Are they that into YOU?: The Thin Line Between Creepy and Cute", and while they were pretty funny, that's all they were...theories.
I felt my evaluation of this apparently understudied facet of
boy/girl bullshit would be lacking, if not wholly irrelevant, without some real-life anecdotal evidence...to that end, I managed to convince an actual stalking victim who is also a reader of mine (codename: SuperLawyer, for her privacy's sake) to sit and have a few words with umf, to see if her experiences would lend my theories credence as well as emphasize to the reader just how thin that line can be from a female perspective. I present this interview to you as "Over the Line: Interview with a Stalking Victim.
umf: Hey, *******, thanks for taking a few minutes out of your day for me and my research.
SuperLawyer: No problem.
*smiles* umf: Aight, let's get to this...without giving any potential stalkers any ammo, can you tell us a little about yourself?
SL: Yeah sure...I'm a fabulous single white female in her early 30s who lives in Philly.
umf: That's good enough. So you're a reader of umf, right?
SL: Yup, sure am...been reading for a while now.
umf: Did you see
the post on the thin line between cuteness and creepiness?
SL: Yeah, I remember the discussion we had that led to it.
*smirks* umf: Yeah, that was you. In your opinion, was there any truth to the post?
SL: Oh yeah...
umf: Let's go through some of the things we went over in it then...what was the worst pickup line you've ever heard?
SL: Hmm...I don't get a lot of lines.
umf: Come on, you know guys try talking that stupid shit to you...your self-description was true.
SL: I guess I don't remember a lot of them...oh yeah, recently this guy kind of sidles up behind me, looks at my butt and goes
*puts on raspy creep voice* "Nice jeans..."
umf: Nice...jeans?
SL: It was his way of telling me I had a nice ass, I guess.
umf: Yeah, true but...nice jeans, though? That's it? That's...yeah.
SL: Yeah, that was it...not too original.
umf: Maybe he was saying nice genes...as in you have superior genetics and are a great candidate to bear healthy and attractive kids.
SL: *scoffs, rolls eyes* Right...this guy was no scientist.
umf: Yeah, fair enough, that was a stretch...okay, moving on, what was your worst first date?
SL: Oh, one time I met this guy at a local bar...I could feel him kind of just lurking around me working up the nerve to come talk to me...
(See? SEE?! It's the first thing I said in
the damn post! That short range recon/focus energy period is not cute...who wants to be openly leered at from across a room? At least use your peripherals. Oh wait, I was in the middle of an interview here...)
SL: ...so eventually he comes over, kinda talks me into going on a date with him, I figure whatever.
umf: So what happened?
SL: I met him for lunch after that and pretty much knew within 5 minutes I never wanted to see him again. It was painfully, painfully obvious. I had set up a rescue call with a friend in case the date was a disaster, which it was, but guess what...the friend never calls!
(There's
an app for that now people...I won't say the name of it because some people reading this may be using it against others who are, and I don't want to accidentally blow up anybody's spot. It's out there. Google it. Continuing with interview...)
umf: *laughs* Oh, hell no...
SL: Yup...but the date was just so horrible that I HAD to get out of there. I just picked up my phone which clearly didn't ring, had a short fake phone conversation, and excused myself...he knew it was bullshit and everything, but I didn't even care at that point, I just had to get out of there...it was soooo awkward.
umf: hahaha I bet...wow...okay, on to another part of the post, tokens and gifts. What's the weirdest token you've ever received?
SL: Well, there was this one guy...he was driving me home and all of a sudden pulled over. Then he gets out and goes to the trunk. I'm wondering what this guy is doing, then he comes back with a gun. He showed it to me, talked about it a little, then put it back. We get going again for a few blocks, then he pulls over again, but this time he doesn't get out. I stare out the window for a little while wondering just what the hell this weirdo is up to, but then I see movement out of the corner of my eye. I look up and the creep is masturbating!
umf: *cocks eyebrow* ...oh wow.
SL: Right? Needless to say, that was the end of me knowing him...what a weirdo.
umf: Yeah, sounds like it...not sure how he thought that was a cute gesture, but..damn...I don't even know what to say to that. Crazy shit. I guess some people are truly creepy. Slightly lighter note, in another part of the post I talked about things men do that we think are cute gestures and women don't. Is there anything that men commonly do that fits that description?
SL: Yeah...that whole indecisive thing you guys do when we ask what you want to do. "Whatever you want to do" isn't a cute answer...I mean, I want a man's man...take charge, make a decision, jeez!
umf: This is a bit off topic, but why not...see, we do that because we actually don't care what we do when we go out with y'all. We're not interested in what happens during the date, we're interested in what goes on after. Besides, the few times we do pick something, y'all call it "stupid" or cop a tude...so we've learned to just roll with whatever makes you ladies happy. Who cares whether we see the action flick or the rom-com? I just want to know if there's a movie being made later...
SL: Really?
umf: Yeah...that might be why most date movies are only an hour+ long, so we can get the fuck outta there.
SL: I could see that...but the point is, you guys need to man up. You think all a woman wants is to make the decisions, but step up sometimes, damn! Men are such pussies nowadays.
umf: By and large, yeah...but that's y'all fault! *laughs*
SL: Yeah, the movement may have backfired a little on us...
*smirks* umf: *pssh* ('Nother post, 'nother time lol) Anything else?
SL: Yeah, hard fuckin. Just blatantly hard piledriving. It's uncalled for.
umf: Really? We always see it in movies and shit, you can't really blame us.
SL: Yeah...that's the problem. Guys, that does not feel good.
umf: You know what, I could see how being struck with a blunt object at a high velocity again and again and again for an extended period would be...uncomfortable.
SL: Uh, yeah. Last time that happened, I sent the guy a text afterwards saying "Why do you want to hurt me?" That shit has to stop.
umf: *has a near-death laughter experience* Whoo...okay, I'll make sure to tell everybody. (Be told, everybody.) So, have you actually been stalked?
SL: Oh, a few times! There was this one guy...we had a one-night stand or whatever, but then he just wouldn't leave me alone!
umf: Wouldn't leave you alone?
SL: Yeah! He's showing up to my house, ringing my doorbell, calling, texting...finally I had to scream at him like "Dude, quit...we fucked, it was bad, whatever, go away!" He left me alone after that.
umf: Yup, that's a stalker...
SL: I just got rid of one! I met him briefly at some party. He was calling my job, leaving odd messages with my colleagues...mind you, I never actually gave him my number, I'm not sure how he got it.
umf: Creepy...
SL: Uh, yeah! Eventually I just had to send him a nice email clearly and calmly indicating my disinterest in contacting him in any way.
umf: Yeah, that's pretty clear...so what would you consider your worst?
SL: Oh...I definitely remember that. It was like a year and a half ago, I was out late and it was snowing, almost a foot. I met this amazing guy, he was funny and confident and sexy...really the total package. I actually liked him for a while...he even took a long walk home with me in the snow.
umf: Damn...so what happened?
SL: After a couple weeks of talking things got weird. He would call and text at these impossibly weird hours, like 2 or 3am...and then they'd be these long, angry, ranting texts like "You think you're so pretty but you're not! You're such a blahblahblah"...but then he would text again a couple minutes later like "No, I'm sorry, I didn't mean that"...but then he'd do it again the next night!
umf: Yeah, that's normal.
SL: Oh, that's nothing...I never saw any of his friends, but he would also always hang out in this bar. He said his friend was the DJ there and that's why he was always there. That was cool or whatever, but I found out later during a conversation with the DJ when his name came up that the guy was batshit crazy and would follow him around from club to club too. He didn't know the guy at all.
umf: Wow...so his one "friend"/character witness was another stalking victim?! Jeez...what happened after that?
SL: At that point I'd had enough, but not him. He would call yelling about how i'd broken promises to him and i'd be all like "I don't fuckin know you!" Finally it got so bad that I had to talk to one of my legal associates to see about an expedited warrant for his arrest. He calmed down after that.
umf: I'm mad it took him all that to get the hint...
SL: Yeah, that's how it goes sometimes.
umf: You can really pick 'em, *******. So, one last question...how thin is the line between cute and creepy, and is it the catchworthiness that makes someone not creepy or the noncreepiness that makes someone catchworthy?
SL: Very thin, and it's the catchworthiness...if I'm into you, you'll have a lot more leeway for that kind of thing than if I'm not, in which case everything you do is gonna be creepy.
umf: So if your dream guy shows up at your crib at 3am with a boombox over his head...
SL: I...don't know about all that.
*laughs* There is a limit.
umf: That makes sense. Aight, that's about all the type we have for today, any final thoughts?
SL: Make sure and underline "Men are pussies".
umf: Gotcha. Well, I wanna thank you first for reading umf, and also for your time, insight, and courage as it relates to this matter. Hopefully we all learned something today.
SL: Oh, anytime.
umf: Cool...well, I got more work to pretend to do...later!